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Spurs 93 - Hornets 81 Game Recap, where we keep getting vintage Duncan.

This was the kind of level of play you can expect form a lockout-shortened season's FOGAFINI. The Spurs were playing at home against one of the worst teams in the league and, after beating the Rockets the night before, couldn't help but play to the level of their opponents. It wasn't pretty but it wasn't really the kind of game that this team was going to lose at home, either. Tim Duncan and Tony Parker led the way for the Spurs to prevail and move to 15-9 and the third place in the Western Conference.

Star-divide

It was clear from the start that the Spurs were not going to get the blowout win most of us were expecting. Some unusually hot shooting from the Hornets and an apathetic defensive effort form the Spurs (stop me if you've heard that before) contributed to create a close game for almost three quarters. The Spurs managed to show the difference in talent in the 4th with Tony Parker and Tim Duncan doing most of the damage and Tiago Splitter joining in on the fun.

I should start by saying that the Hornets are clearly trying to maximize their chances of getting a good draft pick. That much should be evident by their decision to shelve Chris Kaman, but With Eric Gordon and Jarret Jack out with injuries, New Orleans still has the kind of streaky players that can make things hard for most teams if they get hot early. And they did get hot early, alright. Greivis Vazquez and Carl Landry were hitting all kinds of crazy shots and Marco Bellineli put on his Ray Allen cape for a few possessions. Unfortunately for the Nooch, those guys are not stars for a reason and they came back to earth quickly in the second half. Those long shots from Vazques and Bellineli stopped falling and the Spurs adjusted to Landry's explosive forays to the rim by making it hard on him to get position early and having the guards reach in to make it harder for the Hornets power forward to get a shot up.

The fact that the Spurs have kept their opponents to under 85 points in their last 3 games should be enough evidence that the team seems to be turning a corner in terms of defensive production. But while I would love to find a simple explanation for it, the reality is that the Spurs have not relied on any particular lineup or even rotation during the 3 game stretch against division rivals, which leaves me with no other option but to resort to the lazy sportswriters explanation that the Spurs are simply trying harder on that end.

On offense, the long ball wasn't falling (4-19) so the Spurs had no choice but to answer our prayers and go to the post to Duncan and Splitter. Both Tiago and Tim had their way with the soft Hornets inside defense, while Tony Parker also found his way to the basket on a few occasions. Tony's and Tiago's consistency is great but it was especially good to see Tim Duncan's production on a SEGABABA, considering most of us thought he was going to get a DNP for this game. The old man simply refuses to conform to our lowered expectations for him.

The other huge difference between the two teams was in free throws. The Spurs won the free throw battle 27 to 16 in a big part because of Tim Duncan. Timmy has shot 17 FTs in the last two games, which shows that at least for the time being, he has forsaken his jump-shooting ways for aggressive attacks to the basket. He also went 7-7 from the line on this one, which is a sign that the Mayans might be right and these are our last days on Earth. Danny Green was also great at getting to the line where he scored 6-7. For a team that can go through scoring droughts when the 3 ball is not falling, having guys that can get to the line is huge. Manu's return should only help on that front.

I should spend at lest a few lines discussing Gregg Popovich's ability to adapt. After Kawhi Leonard had a pretty bad night against Kevin Martin and the Rockets, Pop realized that there was a big possibility that this was not a game in which Kawhi would be really useful, considering the Hornets don't have the kind of player that is dangerous off the dribble, so he went with Gary Neal on the starting lineup. While Gary didn't wow anyone (he really seems to still be trying to find his game legs), I think Pop's reluctance to adhere to any sort of dogmatic principle when it comes to lineups could be a plus when Manu returns and he needs to start over, trying to find the ideal players to start and, more importantly, finish games.

While I love that Tiago is a bigger part of the offense now, I think the team still has ways to go before they feel comfortable with the Brazilian as a first option. It really isn't hard to figure out why: Sparkles gives the Spurs a different dimension with his post scoring; a dimension they have lacked for most of Duncan's tenure, so the guards are still hesitant to give Sparkles the ball in the post and have an even harder time finding him when he rolls hard to the basket, since no other Spurs big man in a long time was able to do that successfully. We all knew Splitter was an above average defender, but his scoring acumen took even his most fervent supporters by surprise, so it's not shocking that even his teammates are having a hard time adapting to it. It's not all bad, though: his chemistry with Tony Parker makes me giddy to see what Manu can do with a big man setting some of the best screens in the league and rolling aggressively to the basket.

So that's about it. I guess there are two ways of looking at this win. You could say the Spurs barely escaped with a home win against one of the worst teams in the league or you could say that the Spurs, knowing they were the better squad, simply waited for the right time to put their foot on the pedal on offense and tighten the screws on defense to come up with the win. After the last couple of games, I'm leaning towards the second option.

Random thoughts

  • Bonner took 10 shots but only 5 of them were 3s. I noticed the Hornets closing out on him aggressively, but that's too many 2 pointers for Bonner to be taking.
  • DeJuan Blair seems to produce more on defense than on offense right now. If you've watched a few Spurs games, you'll now that's not good.
  • I'm personally hoping that the decision to bench Kawhi was based on matchups and is not permanent. He will probably be needed against OKC to guard Durant.
  • Richard Jefferson continues to disappear for long stretches of the game. His passivity is frustrating to say the least but I believe he's doing pretty much what Pop is asking of him.
  • The Anti-Jefferson, if you will, seems to be Tony Parker. Since Manu went down, Parker has been playing as good as any other guard on the Western Conference. If he doesn't get an All-Star berth I'm going to be pissed.
  • Cory Joseph and James Anderson could have really benefited from a proper training camp and Summer League. They sometimes seem lost out there and have no confidence in their shots. I still think they could be quality rotation players in the future.
  • The Hornets are probably going to be really bad for a couple of seasons unless Eric Gordon takes a big leap. Say what you want about the deal the League vetoed, but they would have been a playoff contender this season and if the Knicks don't turn things around, the pick they would have received from the Rockets would not have been much worse than the one they'll receive from the Wolves.

Three Stars

3 - Tiago Splitter 16 points 6-7 shooting, 7 rebounds

Tiago had another good game and I really hope Pop is noticing his offensive talents. He needs to become a constant threat if the Spurs want a chance to make some noise in the post-season.

2 - Tony Parker 18 points, 7 assists, 5 rebounds.

Tony keeps showing that he is an elite player. Up until Duncan's recent resurgence, he was carrying the Spurs.

Tim Duncan - 19 points on 8 shots and 9 rebounds in only 23 minutes.

Timmy seems rejuvenated and is showing a lot of leadership by taking over games in which the Spurs' youngsters struggle to establish themselves. He is also scoring efficiently by going to the line often; let's hope he is saving something for the playoffs because the Spurs will surely need him.

Next up: the Thunder on Saturday. A real test for the Spurs' improving defense.

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I’m just shocked that you’re shocked about the “shockingly” improved offensive game from Splits.
a) Look at his stats from Spain.
b) Look at videos from when he played in Spain.

So guys cant perceive the fact that being a bigman in Europe is just as tough as it is in the NBA. While the athleticism and Skill are not the same, the Euro-game is twice as physical, the refs let you defend the paint much more aggressively and the rule book is also much more “open”.

I could not agree more.

I agree too. But you also have to consider that the greater athleticism in the NBA makes it difficult as well. Sure, the defenders are less physical, but the fact that they can jump up and block your shot after you’ve released it is a game changer (Howard, McGee, etc.). But given time, Splitter will eventually figure out how to deal with those shot blockers.

It’s actually frustrating that he isn’t getting the ball as much on the post. I wasn’t expecting him to be the 1st offensive option for the Spurs, but when playing with the 2nd unit, he SHOULD be.

You are correct, however, Splits is very fundamentally sound. One he got his confidence back after being in the doghouse for an entire season with the injuries and all, he is doing what i have expected him to do.

Without Parker in the game, Splitter sees the ball much less. His touches increased the moment Parker came back in, during that run.

Yup, the guards in the second unit ignored him completely in the post, especially Leonard and Joseph.

I can tell Joseph doesn’t know how to feed the post too well.

I’m not shocked about Splitter’s imrpoved game. I’ve seen his ugly jump hooks fall in Europe and I knew he would make a great roll man. But after that last season where he seemed awful on offense, I can understand the guards’ (and Pop’s) reluctance to go to Splitter in the post to begin this season. And again, no Spurs big has been as good at rolling to the basket as Splots in a long time. The team is adjusting to having another big who can create offense and is now giving Tiago more touches.

like I said in other thread, Splitter is much agressive this season and I think reason is his improvement in the free throw line. I think last year he was a little afraid of shooting free throws.

That certainly is a possibility. The fact that he is healthy now and has managed to adapt to NBA bigs has to have an impact on his aggressiveness, too.

Glad to see some Brazilian flair. Can’t wait to see what this team looks like with Manu back.

---Manu to new and improved Tiago is going to be sick.

Going 3-1 in five nights is pretty good, regardless of competition. And to think that one loss was a one-point defeat in overtime in Dallas. There are reasons to be encouraged.

Im sorry but Blair looks horrible to me lately. Someone in the credit is due post talked about his Defense on Dirk. Dirk isnt even a shadow of what he was right now. Last seasons Dirk would destroy this season or any season Blair because of his height. I would take Matt Bonner over this seasons Dirk any day of the week. Heck, i would take this seasons Bonner over this seasons Blair. Blair just scares me on both sides of the ball and has my wanting Tiago out there. 6’6 PF/Center? Theres a reason why Pop only starts him, but never plays him in crunch time.

I would rather play Konami at Center then Blair. Blair has to work on his game. There was one glimmer of hope where he took his time, did a spin move fade away in the paint lastnight for all net, but he needs to work on it consistantly. Tiago has finally become patient and agressive in the low post. Blair has to learn the same combination of the two. Im just wondering how far this experiment will go.

If we could trade Blair and Anderson for Chris Kaman, then i would do it in a heart beat.

Say what you want about Blair, but the last 3-4 games he has shown more discipline on the defensive end. His quick hands have led to a few steals as well, which we’ll gladly take. His rebounding has been a little sub par, but the attention other teams give him has allowed for Danny Green, Kawhi and Tiago to get rebounds themselves.

I agree that he’s not a closer, but he has been able to contribute positively to the team. The way I see it, Tiago and Timmy are going to be our two closers the majority of the time.

T&T are our two most traditional big men. B&B create interesting mismatches, which sometimes work wonders, and sometimes spectacularly fail. Blair is our best offensive rebounder, and he is the most agile and athletic of our bigs (this is not saying much, I know). He is clearly lacking discipline and consistency, but with the right matchup he can be very useful. He seems to have a history of playing well against Dallas, as far as I recall.

I’m sorry, but steals are not that great of an indication of defense. Ask all the other steals leaders of the past and present.

Also, as I mentioned below, he’s been a negative 58 in the past 10 before last nights game. Leonard was a negative 56. Both of them have been leading the charge from the opposite end, while Bonner is plus 73, for comparison sake. Green and Tiago are also up there.

Blair is the least versatile big. he can’t really play with anyone but Duncan, unless Spurs go super small.

Play Leonard at the 4!!!

Well, you’ll get defense and rebounding, and blocking out (something Blair doesn’t do a good job at) from Leonard. I’ve suggested it in the past.

Didn’t they do that last night for the final minute or two? I know Leonard got in in the very end of the game along with Anderson but I didn’t notice any of our big men out there.

I believe you are correct.

Honestly, I’d rather see a unit of Splitter/Leonard over Splitter/Blair. So far in the past couple games where Splitter/Blair played, the offense doesn’t do much.

The defense too.

I wouldn’t trade Blair for Kaman. Thats a loss of heart and hustle. Blair looks pretty bad right now. In fact I think we should look for alternatives. But meanwhile, Blair is out there hustling and is somehow fitting in. No Kaman.

I know it sounds crazy, but part of me would rather try malcom thomas over him. Ive just lost confidence in him lately. Perhaps not having Manu on the floor is whats hurting him most, but he needs to work on his post game. Both sides.

Agreed, but thomas is still too raw.

Yeah. I just throw my hands up as to why hes on the floor, unless he somehow gets a garbage bucket. He cant defend great pfs or centers and he cant shoot over them. His foot work is terrible. He has spurts of moments, but its so unconventional. Hes like the Tim Tebow of Centers, but he doesnt close or couldnt play in crunch time. Its like we play him in the first 7 minutes to rest Tiago, and then rest Tim.

The sad thing is you can say a lot of the same things about Blair…

I was actually refering to Blair. Lol

And too skinny, he needs to gain at least 20 pounds

Before last nights game he was a 58. Leonard was a -56, if I recall in their last 10 games of +/.

Hmmm. meant to say negative 58, negative 56.

Love Tim Duncan’s back to backs.

I don’t know what’s gotten into Timmy but for the last two games he’s looked like a different guy on offense. New Orleans doesn’t really have anyone to guard him, but I was especially impressed with his work against Dalembert and Houston.

He played pretty good against Dwight Howard too.

The minutes that Pop is buying Duncan in games, is paying off. That’s all I can say. And now his body is probably adjusting.

Say what you want about Blair, but that one handed catch and bounce pass to Duncan for the Dunk WAS SICK beyond belief and I can’t believe it wasn’t in the days Top Ten on NBA TV.

Well he should have done that 5 plays ago. At some point, Tim was getting constantly fronted and Blair is supposed to flash immediately to the top of the key and drop the bounce pass into Timmy. He finally did it that one time and then Smith stopped fronting Timmy I think.

I was so glad jefferson got a dunk lastnight. We need to get our guys off the parameter.

Honestly, for RJ, he just needs to keep being aggressive, even if it is just shooting. And I felt he was. I liked the 2pt jump shot off the fast break that he took with confidence as well.

That was a great stop and pop.

The Spurs were horrible behind the arc and did a good job shifting their balance towards the paint. I feel that very ability is very important as we approach the playoffs.

Agree, we shouldn’t live and die with our perimeter shots when we have the ability to score in the paint. If we could do both, even better but for now I understand letting the players shoot so many three pointers per game helps with their confidence.

Except Neal, he doesn’t need confidence whatsoever to shoot. Give him a gun and we’re all dead.

Yes, but NOH had no size in the paint since Okafor was out with fouls. The paint will be tougher with better teams.

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Yes, I’m shocked too.

Doesn’t that seem cheap for someone like K-Mart? I guess he really wants the Clippers spotlight. It still feels weird to say spotlight and Clippers in such close proximity.

Sometimes money isn’t everything.

Honestly, I do wish he’d have chosen the Spurs, but I try to be a realist, and I get that our chances in these free agent biddings are usually slim to none from the get-go. I get the Clipper decision. High publicity (he’s auditioning for a contract next season, with LA, or elsewhere), he’ll have the vet presence, and he won’t have to look hard for a place to live.

He’ll also boost up his contract with good numbers inflated by Paul/Billups. He got his best (way overpaid) contract by working with J Kidd.

Yea, no joke. Another reason why, hopefully, money isn’t an issue by now.

He’s smart, by using one year to invest in the future. Then he’ll get handsomely overpaid again (relative to what he should get at this point in his career).

He really liked playing with Billups in Denver, so I’m not surprised by this decision.

so he didnt like playing with RJ in NJ?

yeah i read that Billups and him have become good friends. Also martin has a house in LA.

first Butler and now Martin, the Clipps suck

Then Karl Malone Time Travel and go to the clippers

im glad Malone was never a Spur. I was about 8 years old and asked for his autograph when he was in town for a game. He said he needed 50 bucks. Again, I was 8. Now in my early 30’s i still hate him for that day and his dirty play. Also, Utah was in our division alot when i was a kid. I used to wake up every morning early before school, and grab the sports section to check our divisional standings. (This is before internet and league pass, so I was ecstatic if the Spurs were ever occassionally on national tv.) Utah always gave us a lot of trouble for the division back then.

Do you guys think Jefferson’s current style (sitting back, shooting 3’s, not using his athleticism, rarely posting up, not being aggressive, not drawing fouls or driving to the basket) is what Pop is telling him to do? Or is this just what Jefferson wants to do? It seems like he’s been much more effective when slashing/creating contact and generally being aggressive as opposed to the current, passive form of Jefferson. I just can’t figure out why the staff would prefer a passive Jefferson.

That’s Pop. No doubt.

Pop
Maybe Pop wants tu put some order in the offense ….
Jefferson catch and shoot even with a defender in front of him …. thats cool, we need those 3s
And he average less turnovers (Its not a big difference, but its a difference)

But it would be nice to see jefferson being aggresive, drawing fouls and driving to the basket … he is not old

But he’s needs an opening to slash. He always has. Pop has reduced turnovers by taking RJ away. I do think RJ should mix it up more, but I’d rather him take the higher percentage shot, which seems to be the jumper at the moment.

A nice new wrinkle in RJ’s game as a Spurs is that top-of-the-key shot coming off a screen. I don’t remember seing the Spurs run that play in the past couple of seasons as much as they are doing it now.

I like that they are running him off screens. He did it once every few months. I really thought the coaching staff needed to add it in to get him shots. And they finally did! They really should add more of that ala Rip and Ray Allen.

After Neal, he’s one of the Spurs best shooters that they should run off screens. He’s athletic enough to get to the spots, and run around.

This. I said this yesterday and my wish came true.

Thoughts on the Indiana vs Dallas game tonight?

Kidd is still out, and its beginning to look like Dirk sold his soul for a ring.

Do you think Dirk’s soul is still up for sell?

I honstley think Dirk has lost some fire he once had I mean watching him this year after have watched him agaisnt the spurs all these years I sort of notice a lost man not quit sure what to do next after winning the one thing he covted most of his life, beside that fact cant wait to see spurs take on OKC should be a great test for the spurs and if our defense really has improved over the last 3 games

The Hornets are probably going to be really bad for a couple of seasons unless Eric Gordon takes a big leap. Say what you want about the deal the League vetoed, but they would have been a playoff contender this season and if the Knicks don’t turn things around, the pick they would have received from the Rockets would not have been much worse than the one they’ll receive from the Wolves.

I don’t think I’d agree. Maybe, but they’d be at the way bottom, likely not to make it. They’d be like Houston light, but not have as much of Houston’s youthful talent.

You are correct. That logic is wrong. Fill a team in rebuilding with veterans is just wrong. If Stern hadn’t vetoed then Odom,Martin & Scola would have killed Hornets cap space for at least 3 years.
With that being said, it was possible for New Orleans to take those guys and flip them for young talent + picks from other teams. But there is no way they would have landed anyone as good as Gordon.

They get 2 first round lottery picks in this upcoming draft. Twolves (who likely will be in the lottery) and their own. That’s pretty stellar. And Gordon, if he can stay healthy is a nice piece, if they can keep him.

Jack-Martin-Ariza-Scola-Okafor with Dragic, Bellinelli, Odom and Landry off the bench seems like a playoff team to me. If they don’t seem to mesh, you can always flip them. Any of those 3 guys would net more in return than Kaman. If Minny keeps winning that pick is not going to be as good as it was thought to be. What are the Hornets going to do with cap space? No one is signing there.
At least with the vetoed trade they would have gotten tangible assets back and the fans would have had a good team to root for.

Barely. That’s why I say maybe.

Odom has looked like poo most of the season.
Scola’s numbers are down this season.

Would Jack have the season he’s having if those changes occurred? We don’t know that. Would Dragic start over him?

Kaman is coming off the books this season. So, the payroll looks pretty after this year. It looks perfect for wouldbe owners.

Honestly, the trade that NO got is much better than what they would have taken on.

Odom’s contract comes off the books after this season as well. They could have put Scola on the block for expirings and a pick if they wanted cap relief. After this season the Hornets will have to extend Gordon and they’ll probably have to overpay, so that makes the salary figures go up. A playoff appearance would have energized the fanbase, much like what’s happening in Denver. I don’t think the pick they got is going to be a top 5 pick unless they get really lucky in the lottery.

We’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I’m weary of trades that don’t net tangible assets. Cap space and draft picks are great, but I prefer players that are good now especially with an NBA market as fragile as New Orleans.
This fanpost explains why, better than I could.

Like I said, I actually think that vetoed trade was doable. But still, i’m glad Stern vetoed, just cause it happened to the Lakers.
There is no way Hornets keeps Scola,Martin and Odom. They would almost immediately flip them. So i don’t think that playoff run would have happened anyway. Would they have gotten more out of such situation asset-wise? Maybe. Doubt it thou.

There are just too many intangibles to this. Like actually happened, the owners were immediately outraged that not only they lost CP3 their salary bill has gotten thicker. Also, what if they can’t find teams to send those vets to? When you’re conducting a fire—sell others will down-pay you on anything. Not to mention ALL 3 are over-payed in some manner.

Also, all the owners just didn’t want CP3 at the Lakers. Even if it would mean wiping clean the salary bill & somehow get young assets. They were jealous and furious at the same time on how the hell the Lakers did it again: Becoming a juggernaut once again in matter of seconds, with no rebuilding. There were sick & tired from that, so they put their foot down.
One last thing, was that this trade was against everything that lockout was about – parity and competative balance.

Yes, Odom’s contract does come off the books. I meant to say that Kaman’s contract isn’t a boon. My main idea, was that the youth talent that they got along with the expiring contract is a great deal. They’ve also got great odds to have two high lottery picks. It’s the perfect storm, so to speak.

Denver is a different case in that they basically stole all of the Knicks talent. NO actually did a good job of doing a lot of similar things to the Clippers. They did everything but get Bledsoe.

Richard Jefferson continues to disappear for long stretches of the game. His passivity is frustrating to say the least but I believe he’s doing pretty much what Pop is asking of him.

I don’t think anything has really changed, at least much from the first part of the season. The big difference is not every shot of his is falling automatically.

I think the season has had some affect on this. He probably doesn’t have the normal legs he had had. Pop likes playing him a lot.

I agree. RJ seems better when hes well rested now that hes on the wrong side of 30. Pop needs to get him to pump fake and drive more, now that he has developed his outside shot.

Thanks...

…for picking up my slack last night. Great recap!

No problem man. The only shame is that we didn’t get to read one of your wonderful recaps.

“Parker has been playing as good as any other guard on the Western Conference. If he doesn’t get an All-Star berth I’m going to be pissed.”
  • Which Spur is most likely to be added to the all-star ballot? Duncan or Parker?
  • Do you think either (or both) actually will be added?

I don’t think either is going to get in, which means I’m going to be pissed :)
If one gets in it will be Parker. There are just too many good forwards in the West and the Spurs insist on calling Tim a PF so he has no chance of getting in IMO. You could make a good case for Parker to get in, though. After Kobe, Paul and Westbrook, Parker is in the second tier with guys like Ty Lawson, Lowry and Nash.

I really hope parker and no one spur goes to any all star event you guys need to understand that he has been there done that and that time off during the all star break could be huge you dont get much practice time during this season but with all the spurs here in sa during the all star break they could start to focus on what they can do to improve down the final stretch run

Obviously players not at the all-star game get rest but I don’t think teams can practice during the break (part of the CBA?).

oh really did not no that but if that is the case then I still would rather have parker rest than go to the event

I’m pretty sure (or I could be making it all up in my head). The players could probably meet surreptitiously on their own but I think the team/coaches are not allowed to hold practices during the break.

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