ESPN is reporting the following trade. Richard Jefferson for Bruce Bowen, Kurt Thomas, and Fabricio Oberto.
Holy cow. Well, that sure changes things.
The Spurs, interestingly, took on a fair amount of salary in this trade. For 09-10, they went from $11.6 million to $14.2 million. Possibly, one of the reasons this happened today is because we are still in fiscal year '09 where the numbers were 13.2 to 11.8. Not sure if that was a factor or not in making the salaries work.
I suspect the Bucks will buy out both Bowen and Oberto to free up another $3.9 million on their books. The math there is that Bowen at $4 million and Oberto at $3.8 million are guaranteed half. The buyout money, all $3.9 million, would count against the Bucks salary cap for next year, but it still would give them extra room for resigning some of their players. I don't think they could buy them out now and have it count against their '09 numbers. That would be interesting, wouldn't it?
Enough about the Bucks, what about the Spurs? I think we are in an interesting position. Jefferson, needless to say, is a huge uprade over Michael Finley/Bruce Bowen on the wing. (For these purposes, I'm counting Manu as our two-guard). Jefferson shot 39.7% from 3-pt last year which is first and foremost what a wing player needs to provide to the Spurs offensively. He provides somebody that can run with Tony and Manu (and George). He HAS to be better off the dribble than Bruce and Michael. He is most assuredly a better defender than FinDog, and likely almost as good as Bruce at this stage of Bruce's career.
Probably my favorite aspect of this trade is that the Spurs brought in a guy who I believe can do more than just shoot. He's not a Ray Allen or Rashard Lewis who, to be effective, have to have plays run for them. He's also not a clear out his side of the court and let him work guy like say, um, Vince Carter or Allen Iverson. I think he is a guy who can produce by fitting into what the Spurs do. Not the other way around.
Up front, we need some help. Right now, our front line looks like Tim, Matt, Ian. Phew!!! That's the good news. The bad news is that the Jefferson trade should put us OVER the luxury tax threshold for next season. My preliminary calculations have us at $69.5 million without Finley picking up his option and with only 8 roster spots filled.
Yet another thing to like about this trade is that we didn't give up any draft picks. Not any of our #2's this year. Not a future #1. Not the rights to any of our previous picks. I likey.
We have more moves in the works, or we are playing small ball. Really small.
Here is our current roster:
PG: Tony(12.6), George(1.1)
SG: Manu(10.7), Roger(3.8)
SF: Jefferson(14.2), Williams(.8)
PF: Bonner(3.0), Mahinmi(.9)
C: Duncan(22.2)
Yeah, 69.3 and Williams isn't even guaranteed. I know this sounds crazy, but the Spurs may be going OVER the luxury tax in an attempt to win a title in the next two years. Might as well bring in Rasheed at the MLE.
This almost certainly will energize the Spurs fan base and stimulate ticket sales. Sometimes it pays not to be boring. Right now, we aren't boring.
I'm going to have to buy Pop a bottle of wine while I'm in Vegas.
LET"S GET IT ON.
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Crap. Congrats San Antonio, you now have a wing scorer.
Cablinasian - June 23, 2009
Now, if Bruce gets bought out and comes home I will be a very happy man.
With KT and Fab gone, our front line is beyond thin.
This will be a VERY, VERY interesting offseason for the Spurs.
Wayne Vore (ATS) - June 23, 2009
I’m thinking Pop and RC have a plan for the front line. Not sure what it could be, though. This is a great move, especially if Bruce comes back.
Tim C. - June 23, 2009
I’m with you on Bruce, know this is a business but damn I hate to see him leave.
Ms. Smith - June 23, 2009
At least now, we only have one position to worry about. All the talk of the Spurs moving up in the draft are probably now defunct. Bruce’s salary is unguaranteed (which means he’ll probably be bought out) and here’s RJ’s contract info. Woo Hoo!
CapHill - June 23, 2009
Hey, no linking to ShamSports. That’s my reference site. Hmmphhh, women. Don’t know their limits.
Wayne Vore (ATS) - June 23, 2009
Sooooorrrrry. Didn’t know providing information to others would set off the Cranky Old Fart.
CapHill - June 23, 2009
I’m afraid to mouse over “Cranky Old Fart” to find it is a link to an image.
Wayne Vore (ATS) - June 23, 2009
I hate to disappoint, so here you go.
CapHill - June 23, 2009
God Bless you for serving this up for me.
Women, know your limits.
SgtinManusArmy - June 23, 2009
Really?… don’t you think it’s time to change your repertoire?
bellasa - June 23, 2009
And you prove my point….
But,
1. He served it up, I had to.
2. It never gets old.
3. She obviously hadn’t seen it yet or bothered to retain it, and it commanded repeating.
4. Don’t take your LosingBruceSadness out on me, I’m just as heartbroken as you.
SgtinManusArmy - June 23, 2009
1. You’re both 12
2. It’s the definition of old
3. She’s just being kind… Cap is like that.
4. And yes, I could be trying cope with the loss of Mr. Potato Head by picking on
Simian,Simba, I mean Sima.bellasa - June 23, 2009
1. They’re both old farts.
2. It’s kinda old, but it’s still funny.
3. Love ya, Cap.
4. He’ll be back, leaner and meaner than ever.
LatinD - June 23, 2009
1. We’re ALL old farts at heart or we wouldn’t be Spurs fans.
2. It is old, but I’m used to misogynists who think they’re funny.
3. Yes, I remember the first time you trotted out this tired act SiMA, but ATS did serve up a nice fat one for you.
4. And BRUUUUUUUUUCE will be missed – consummate professional and class act.
CapHill - June 24, 2009
So, San Antonio still exists?
You assholes are never going to go away, are you?
I’m assuming Milwaukee is waiving Bowen and Oberto’s salaries (though Skiles may be salivating at the mouth at the thought of playing Bruce Bowen 35 minutes a game), and the Spurs get to pick them on the cheap?
Ozzie Montana - June 23, 2009
Yes. No. And that’s the plan
Big50 - June 23, 2009
Great trade for you guys
silvershamrocker - June 23, 2009
I like the getting rid of three players to get one aspect of this. Means we have roster space for some of our young bucks.
Windex40 - June 23, 2009
and an older buck?
he is only 29 but I couldn’t resist
BlaseE - June 23, 2009
HA!
I guess this means Gist is going to be primarily a 4 if he plays for us this year. And we better hope Ian is healthy.
Tim C. - June 23, 2009
Maybe we can get some Malik Hairston action as well
Windex40 - June 23, 2009
Halle-freakin-luyah
This was a very nice pickup. Bruce will be back by the end of the summer. Now the Spurs just need to shore up the front line. Who can we get for the mid-level? Gist and Ian will be bit players at best.
VWolf - June 23, 2009
Here’s a 2009 Free agent list. Dunno what site I got it from and whether its reliable or not. http://www.sportscity.com/nba/2009-nba-free-agents
Windex40 - June 23, 2009
Maybe Gooden comes back for the MLE?
Tim C. - June 23, 2009
Rasho is a free agent again
Windex40 - June 23, 2009
We’re back in the mix fellas. Now all we need is a front line. Ginobili for…….ha ha j/k LatinD. Well I think we should keep Splitter now. Get Ian some metal legs (its a risky operation but it’ll be worth it). Damn Im getting excited. Bruce, damn it you better be back by the start of the season or I’ll be pissed.
Behind_the_arc - June 23, 2009
Woo-hoo! Bring back Bruce! I’m kinda excited!
Ed (dfjmed) - June 23, 2009
Salary
R.J.
2009/10 – $14.2 Mil
2010/11 – $15 Mil
Does this put a new contract for Manu at risk?
BigFresh - June 23, 2009
No, but I think we’re out of the 2010 bidding for any of those big time FA’s.
r21x - June 23, 2009
okay...
but do I have to change my profile pick of Bruce whacking Nancy Boy? I don’t know if I can do it.
BigFresh - June 23, 2009
leave it alone until the preseason games, at least. we oughtta know by then
J.R. Wilco - June 23, 2009
Very nice trade
Not quite Gasol-ian, but still very nice. The Spurs definitely got the better of this deal. Jefferson will fit in nicely, especially if Ginobili is slow in his recovery.
Gils_Keloids - June 23, 2009
KT is a great big to play with Al andthe bucks clear a ton of cap room
BlaseE - June 23, 2009
Al?
Wayne Vore (ATS) - June 23, 2009
I think he may have confused Minny with Milwaukee
Tim C. - June 23, 2009
sorry my mind melted when i read the trade….
BlaseE - June 23, 2009
How is it not Gasol-ian
We gave up two D- centers, and an aging defensive player, all of which are salaary dump possibilities… So that means we could get RJ, and lose only KT, because I dont think they are going to buy him out he is a good backup… So, you dump two bad salaries, gain a top 5 guard, and then get those two salaries back at the min… that is Jeffersonian
FormerLSBUser - June 23, 2009
Jefferson, as good as he is, is not a team changer like Gasol. He’s a solid role player not a top 5 guard.
Also, did you see what the Lakers gave up? Oh, right, nobody did.
I do like the Jeffersonian…nice
Big50 - June 23, 2009
god im happy, YES YES YES
Chilai - June 23, 2009
Holy Crap!!
ddog28 - June 23, 2009
Yay!
r21x - June 23, 2009
now don’t go pick up Sheed. That would be a scary team.
Cablinasian - June 23, 2009
*emails RC
Tim C. - June 23, 2009
another key to consider is that this gives us a huge selling point to any FA looking for a chip….it shows our FO is serious about the duncan window and if you’re willing to sacrifice a little pay to join the winning side, sign the dotted line….
BlaseE - June 23, 2009
agreed.
BigFresh - June 23, 2009
great point
recced to the MLE
J.R. Wilco - June 23, 2009
Oberto and Thomas are replacable
It’s more difficult to find a scoring wing like RJ that’s taller than 6’4
Gils_Keloids - June 23, 2009
Oberto and Thomas are absolutely replacable. They were both way past their prime.
VWolf - June 23, 2009
So will they be released immediately
And then can re-sign with the Spurs, though?
Gils_Keloids - June 23, 2009
They might still keep them for some big bodies
I wouldn’t be shocked if Oberto is waived though. It can’t happen immediately. The trade isn’t even official yet and there will be a waiting period.
VWolf - June 23, 2009
IF the Bucks waive Bowen and Thomas
The Bucks only have to pay about half of their salaries, but get to take the full salary off the Bucks’ books, so it seems like the Spurs are counting on that, so that when Bowen and Oberto pass through waivers, they can re-sign them to the other half of the contract that wasn’t guaranteed!
So to Bowen and Oberto end up getting the same amount of money (and maybe even more upfront than if they weren’t ever traded).
Gils_Keloids - June 23, 2009
I won't miss Thomas as an enforcer
All he did was rebound well. He didn’t intimidate anyone, and that “solid” mid-range shot was surprisingly suspect.
VWolf - June 23, 2009
You don’t watch many Spurs games, do you?
Aaron "Hirschof" Preine - June 23, 2009
Yes, I watch most of them. Thomas was way overrated as an enforcer and that role is way overremphasized. I’d rather have a guy who can move on D and hit shots, than a guy with a crazy look in his eye.
VWolf - June 23, 2009
+1
But on the flip side, beggars can’t be choosers here. It’s tough to find a big man who doesn’t really hurt you when he’s on the floor, regardless of whether he ever lives up to his anticipated potential or not.
SgtinManusArmy - June 23, 2009
Yeah. And speaking of that Francisco Elson is available…uh oh.
VWolf - June 23, 2009
Yep, you don’t watch much.
Aaron "Hirschof" Preine - June 23, 2009
Thomas shot over 50% in 2009. Is a +80% FT shooter. He is great at taking charges, making shots difficult for everybody, setting picks/screens, and rarely turns the ball over.
Aaron "Hirschof" Preine - June 23, 2009
I loved Mad Eye, he was an underrated rebounder for most of the season, and probably our third best player when Bonner cooled down. However, in my opinion, his strengths were those: the long 2, rebounding, defense. Not being a enforcer.
What are we talking about when we say “enforcer”, anyway? He’s not a player that was overly physical or made hard fouls to prove the team was committed, which is what people typically call a “enforcer”. (Think Fisher for the Lakers.) We don’t have a player like that right now, and I’m not sure even Bowen was one.
Maybe Horry when he kicked some Canadian butt.
LatinD - June 23, 2009
Definitely, Horry. Rewatch the last quarter of Game 7 of the 2005 Finals. He’s EVERYWHERE and there are multiple examples of him subtly, and sometimes not so subtly, enforcing and keeping Detroit off-balance.
J.R. Wilco - June 24, 2009
I watch plenty. My guess is I have a little more experience in evaluating a big man than you.
VWolf - June 24, 2009
Thomas was our aggresive big body
Who is going to be our enforcer under the basket? Bonner? Pfft…
I don’t want more work on Duncan’s legs.
Aaron "Hirschof" Preine - June 23, 2009
Some centers/pfs that stood out:
Pachulia
Mihm (is his career over due to injuries? If not maybe he could get it untracked back in Texas)
Marks (he’s a good luck charm)
Okur (too expensive I am sure, unless his injuries are lingering)
Etan Thomas
Jarron Collins (meh)
Jason Collins (bleeh)
Sheed (can he be had for so cheap?)
Chris Wilcox (what happened to this guy? He was set to have a big year with OKC and then flopped)
VWolf - June 23, 2009
I think Pachulia could help also
Windex40 - June 23, 2009
But how available would be be, really?
J.R. Wilco - June 23, 2009
What I’m looking at says he’s unrestricted FA, but this could be way off
Windex40 - June 23, 2009
from mavsmoneyball... :)
http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2009/6/23/922370/spurs-pick-up-jefferson
Ed (dfjmed) - June 23, 2009
excellent
I worried the Spurs might have used their mid-level on Trevor Ariza.
Will they try to sign Gortat?
ignign*kt - June 23, 2009
hmmm, banger, rebounder, not bad defense, steady mid-range J … I wouldn’t say “no”.
J.R. Wilco - June 23, 2009
I think Gortat would be a good fit, but he’s going to cost too much.
Neuwaldegg - June 23, 2009
how's the spurs cap situation?
i’m thinking SA should try for Gortat
misterterrific - June 23, 2009
An athlete on the team...this will be sweet
This team really needed another guy who can get to the FT line when the offense bogs down. Plus Jefferson is pretty good at the three ball as well.
VWolf - June 23, 2009
Solid trade for the Spurs, but are we so sure Bruce is going to be waived by the Bucks? I don’t see that happening myself.
Art Middleton - June 23, 2009
It seems a very likely possibility
His contract is non-guaranteed. It won’t cost the Bucks anything. I doubt they really want him now. They want to get their young guys some PT.
Even if Bruce does not return, the trade is great. Bruce is pretty ancient right now.
VWolf - June 23, 2009
Bruce is still effective in tight spots and showed that last year. His off the bench defense and knowledge is rare and valuable.
Aaron "Hirschof" Preine - June 23, 2009
Bruce still got minutes in the playoffs which means he is still a contributor…plus he is a great mentor to hill and all the other rookies we use to fill the back end of this now salary bloated roster
minimum for Bruce is 1.3 million per year which is only .4 million more than a rookie would make….that is a bargain for our franchise…he knows the system and i think its really important he finishes here
BlaseE - June 23, 2009
Plus, and this is very important, the league picks up part of the tab of the veteran minimum.
Wayne Vore (ATS) - June 23, 2009
He deserves nothing less.
Aaron "Hirschof" Preine - June 23, 2009
I'd be happy to keep him
But it’s not going to kill the Spurs if he doesn’t come back.
VWolf - June 23, 2009
they have no shot at a championship or contention. They have a young movement, I dont see them willing to sacrifice minutes to a 36 year old SF withouth offensive game. But then again, Skiles is the Bucks coach…….. (i remember seeing lots of duhon, adrian griffin, malik allen and the like in the bulls)
Chilai - June 23, 2009
Bruce just turned 38, he was 36 in 07-08
VWolf - June 23, 2009
so that makes my point stronger
Chilai - June 23, 2009
Yes it does...as you can see I made the same point as well
VWolf - June 23, 2009
Hey, it’s VWolf. Long time no see. How’s JR Giddens?
Haha. Couldn’t resist. I’ll be thinking of you when I’m wearing my George Hill jersey in Vegas.
Wayne Vore (ATS) - June 23, 2009
I'd still take Giddens over Hill
Giddens lit up the NBDL and he will be a solid NBA player.
VWolf - June 23, 2009
-1
ddog28 - June 23, 2009
-11
Chilai - June 23, 2009
What?
Aaron "Hirschof" Preine - June 23, 2009
Wait and see. Hill is OK, but he does not have Giddens freakish athleticism.
VWolf - June 23, 2009
Yes…and Tim Duncan doesn’t have the freakish athleticism of Kenyon Martin.
Big50 - June 23, 2009
I’ll take Hill’s great athleticism, defense, hustle, and promising jump shot. He fits Pop’s mold.
Aaron "Hirschof" Preine - June 23, 2009
+1
Well said
Big50 - June 23, 2009
That sounds like a description of Giddens, except he is more athletic, a better defender, and a 2-guard.
I do think we needed a PG more, so I really don’t have a problem with Hill. I just think that Giddens is going to surprise some people on this board in the coming years.
VWolf - June 23, 2009
I’m not sure you can say he’s a better defender. George was a good defender last year against the men. Not in the D-league.
But, we’ll see. I’m glad you are still on the Giddens bandwagon. It shows integrity.
Wayne Vore (ATS) - June 23, 2009
I have seen both of them play. Giddens is 6’5" with long arms and he’s an outstanding athlete and defender. It would have been incredible to have him study under Bowen.
It is silly to bash Giddens for playing in the d-league. Boston just did not have room for him.
With all due respect to Hill’s defensive abilities, he is solid, but he appears much better because nobody else at the 1 plays a lick of defense for the Spurs.
VWolf - June 23, 2009
No, it isn’t silly. He played in the D-League regardless of the reason.
And I would say Tony’s defense has improved over the last few years. Not solid but nearly the liability he once was.
Aaron "Hirschof" Preine - June 23, 2009
typo
“not nearly”
Aaron "Hirschof" Preine - June 23, 2009
Yes, and that reason was he was on the Celtics. Had the Spurs not needed a backup PG so desperately, Hill would have also been on the NBDL.
Tony’s D certainly did not look good in the playoffs this year, but of course his O more than made up for it.
VWolf - June 23, 2009
Are you saying the Celtics couldn’t have used a super-athletic backup for Ray Allen? As I recall, they were hurting at the backup wing spots all season.
tomasito - June 23, 2009
Yes, I am saying that the Celtics had no minutes for him. Ray Allen averaged 36 minutes per game. Reliable 3 point shooter Eddie House averaged 18 minutes. At 6’5" Giddens is really a 2-guard and there was no time for him there. They did the smart thing and kept him playing ball in the d-league.
VWolf - June 23, 2009
I’m not bashing him, I’m saying he is unproven. The D-League isn’t NEAR the caliber of play. Ian tore up the D-Leauge. Marcus Williams tore up the D-League. That doesn’t translate is all I’m saying. I’ve seen what George can do in the pros and that doesn’t have to translate. It is. If you know what I mean.
Wayne Vore (ATS) - June 23, 2009
I know what the D-league is. I am just not as impressed as you with what George has done in the pros. His shooting is just over 40% and that is not too hot.
VWolf - June 23, 2009
Man, you aren’t easy to knock off the bandwagon!
Hey, are you in New Mexico?
Wayne Vore (ATS) - June 23, 2009
No, I am in Portland. Blazers fans are worried about this trade.
VWolf - June 23, 2009
BTW, both Hill’s and Giddens’ careers are just begining. It is way too early to be mocking my my Giddens fandom. ;-) At least wait until he has a chance in the big league and until Hill can start shooting better than Pargo.
VWolf - June 23, 2009
Pargo … ouch
J.R. Wilco - June 23, 2009
AHHHH SKEET SKEET SKEET!
WOOOO! This just made my Tuesday.
CMoney - June 23, 2009
Wow, hope really is a good thing. Maybe I should change my sig to “I hope Orlando trades us Dwight Howard for the rights to Tiago Splitter.”
tomasito - June 23, 2009
I updated the post, so refresh it if you haven’t in a while.
Wayne Vore (ATS) - June 23, 2009
Good news
I like the move, wish Bruce could have stayed, hope he comes back when they cut him, just to retire here if nothing else.
Now it’s time for a big.
Big50 - June 23, 2009
SHEED SHEED
Chilai - June 23, 2009
Rasheed?
That will be Pop’s greatest coaching job EVER
Gils_Keloids - June 23, 2009
why?
The only coach he had problems with was doormat Mo Cheeks, but under strong personality coaches he has fallen in line.
jonestr - June 23, 2009
+1
I don’t think Sheed would be a problem with the Spurs. He didn’t care last season, but I think being around a group of vets that have an ardent desire to win, he’ll fall in line.
DennardC - June 23, 2009
I doubt he has the balls to give Duncan or Pops lip.
Aaron "Hirschof" Preine - June 23, 2009
He had a huge problem with Dunleavy
In fact, they brought in Cheeks (a black coach) to appease Sheed.
I still think he will play well for Pop though.
VWolf - June 23, 2009
I think he had problems with Flip Saunders as well, if I remember correctly.
pollackj - June 24, 2009
I’m on board with that at this point.
Tim C. - June 23, 2009
Chilai feels the need . . . the need for SHEED.
Lauri - June 23, 2009
YES YES, for god’s sake, sign sheed, resign bowen and….. wow my head just exploded, too much for me
Chilai - June 23, 2009
can we sign TP to an extension and pay him all the money after TD retires?
BlaseE - June 23, 2009
Scola
Gils_Keloids - June 23, 2009
You sadist.
::bursting into tears::
Lauri - June 23, 2009
Somebody’s bitter about this trade.
Big50 - June 23, 2009
That might be a bannable offense. You buzzkill.
Wayne Vore (ATS) - June 23, 2009
(You don't need) Scola
Obviously, I was implying the part in parentheses
Gils_Keloids - June 23, 2009
it wouldn’t hurt.
Tim C. - June 23, 2009
then again, if we had Scola, the FO arguably wouldn’t have been in these trade talks.
Tim C. - June 23, 2009
If we had Scola, we would have won our third consecutive championship. Also, the financial sector and mortgage lending industry would have acted responsibly, and health care would be affordable, due to the surplus of low cost green energy. Alas, if only…
tomasito - June 23, 2009
Scola is a very influential player, for sure
Gils_Keloids - June 23, 2009
I hear he can heal the planet too.
J.R. Wilco - June 23, 2009
It hurt so much watching him in a non-Spurs uniform tear up the Blazers…
tomasito - June 23, 2009
Anyone know how much we have to pay Gist?
BlaseE - June 23, 2009
He’s a second round pick. It’s completely negotiable. However, I’d guess it is in the 700-800K range.
Wayne Vore (ATS) - June 23, 2009
can we sign manu to his extension now and agree and a total payout over x years but make the next two lower amounts to accommodate RJ’s contract? resigning manu is absolutely crucial now and I’d rather see it now then after this season
BlaseE - June 23, 2009
Welcome home, Richard
ddog28 - June 23, 2009
Awesome.
Aaron "Hirschof" Preine - June 23, 2009
LOl
Manu-20 - June 23, 2009
ATS (I don't know if anyone commented on this already)
But, I’d like to address this particular statement:
According to Coon’s FAQ, the salary only counts on the last day of the regular season towards the luxury tax and what not.So, what you say abut counting vs the 09 numbers, or this past season, it would not. The numbers would only be applicable for the 09-10 season. That’s why both teams can afford to do it now.
pookeyguru - June 23, 2009
Ok, thanks. I’m still not sure how buyout money effects salary cap money. Something to research I suppose.
Wayne Vore (ATS) - June 23, 2009
If you like
I can write it in a fanpost or leave it in a long comment here.
pookeyguru - June 23, 2009
Hmm, how about a Fanpost? It will get lost here.
Wayne Vore (ATS) - June 23, 2009
Fair enough
Gimme a couple hours. It won’t take me very long. I just need a soda from 7-11 first. LOL
pookeyguru - June 23, 2009
Jefferson is
Sean Elliot 3000
ignign*kt - June 23, 2009
He’s an android? Awesome! Does he have human emotions?
tomasito - June 23, 2009
maybe 1.5…..not 3000
you could go with Elliot2009?
BlaseE - June 23, 2009
too bad Mrs. Elliot didn’t name him Andre
J.R. Wilco - June 23, 2009
I dun think I saw any Bucks game last season…howz Jefferson playing nowadays? Does he pass the eye test on still being quite effective. Two years ago, he was really good. Now?
Still this is good news. But from the post above, really confused about the cap situation. Spurs going into luxury tax seems really out of whack.
LionZion - June 23, 2009
I think they’re just going for broke during what’s left of the Duncan/Manu window. And I like it.
Tim C. - June 23, 2009
I wanna believe that. But we have to replace bigs. Only 8 players on roster so far. If they pull this off, time to make a shrine for RC and Pop.
LionZion - June 23, 2009
I don't know
I feel like another trade is coming. I have nothing to justify it, just a feeling.
Aaron "Hirschof" Preine - June 23, 2009
me too, but for a big this time.
ohpleaseohpleasenotmanuplease.
Tim C. - June 23, 2009
You have something to justify. It is just not like the Spurs to get over the luxury tax threshold. But how could you make a trade to dump money now?
LasEspuelas - June 23, 2009
I have no clue but I think we’ll see something that will make us even more proud of the Spurs FO
Aaron "Hirschof" Preine - June 23, 2009
Oh man, do I hope you’re right.
Tim C. - June 23, 2009
me likee too
J.R. Wilco - June 23, 2009
Offseason ain’t over folks. Spurs will bring in some other big men. Matt Bonner is nobody’s starting power forward.
r21x - June 23, 2009
Or center either.
r21x - June 23, 2009
Yup. No way they go over the salary cap with RJ to have their championship dreams scuttled by starting Ginger at PF. Hopefully this makes the team more attractive to a good free agent big out there.
tomasito - June 23, 2009
We should play him as the left benchwarmer
LasEspuelas - June 23, 2009
he’d excel there
J.R. Wilco - June 23, 2009
Well, someone has to take over the JV’s job.
CapHill - June 23, 2009
www.thejvzone.com/
J.R. Wilco - June 23, 2009
48 MOH says we struck OIL
Check it out.
CMoney - June 23, 2009
This last paragraph just made me do a Tiger Woods fist pump in the middle of my office.
CMoney - June 23, 2009
You make me laugh… embarrassing in front of my office mates
LasEspuelas - June 23, 2009
True. And . . . it makes the (relative) frugality of the last few years and the "hometown discount" that TD gave us a couple of years back look even smarter than they already did.
Lauri - June 23, 2009
I was wondering when this was gonna come up. Finally it looks to TD like we’re truthfully committed to helping him out and maximizing his time.
SgtinManusArmy - June 23, 2009
::wiping away a tear::
I love my Spurs.
J.R. Wilco - June 23, 2009
Excellent, CMoney.
silverandblack_davis - June 23, 2009
Is there a chance that he (Jefferson) gets traded for draft picks?
ddog28 - June 23, 2009
No…
Big50 - June 23, 2009
I think there is a restriction against trading someone again within a given time span. However, the Spurs are looking to win now, so I’d guess there’s zero probability that that happens, even if it is allowed.
tomasito - June 23, 2009
I would doubt it because they acquired a serious team need in RJ.
LasEspuelas - June 23, 2009
Aside from his specialty play… I hope Bowen comes back because I want more Bowen HEB commercials.
Aaron "Hirschof" Preine - June 23, 2009
love the spurs HEB commercials
spurscitizen - June 23, 2009
how could RJ fill that void?
J.R. Wilco - June 23, 2009
Hilarious!
Thanks…that was my first time seeing that.
VWolf - June 23, 2009
My bad.
SgtinManusArmy - June 23, 2009
Good one, SiMA.
I particularly love how Barry constantly forgets to play the guitar, and when he does, it’s in time with the words he’s saying.
J.R. Wilco - June 23, 2009
So I have read conflicting reports on ST. Does this trade mean Manu is off the trading block and we are buckling down, or does all this luxury tax talk mean, Manu could be traded? Howz that make sense.
LionZion - June 23, 2009
Talk about raining on the parade…I don’t see how that move would make sense.
Big50 - June 23, 2009
Check this out
“It might even open up the door for them to let Ginobili walk, though do they give up Bowen and Manu for Jefferson?”
http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/The_Baseline/entry/view/25857/bucks_deal_richard_jefferson_to_spurs
4Him - June 23, 2009
Ridiculous. If they traded for RJ it’s because they want to win now, and use Timmy and Manu’s window. Manu is now untradeable.
LatinD - June 23, 2009
exactly…manu has an excellent contract and is an excellent player…you don’t trade away all of your expiring contracts and an all star for one all star with a bloated contract….our FO is saying “break the bank! win now!”
BlaseE - June 23, 2009
Agreed – I just don’t see how you can read it any other way.
At least, now that Stamps worst fears have been proved impossible I don’t see how.
J.R. Wilco - June 24, 2009
Wow. I was already confident that 2009-2010 will be a strong season, but now that I see RC & Pop swinging for the fences, I’m stoked!
DennardC - June 23, 2009
And here I was ready for a(nother) boring offseason.
Wayne Vore (ATS) - June 23, 2009
Really? You didn’t expect some big changes?
4Him - June 23, 2009
Hope, yes. Expect, no.
Wayne Vore (ATS) - June 23, 2009
YES WE CAN!
CMoney - June 23, 2009
Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of all things, and no good thing ever dies.
tomasito - June 23, 2009
God, I love that movie.
bellasa - June 23, 2009
Do you think the spurs have a shott a za za pachulia.
Manu-20 - June 23, 2009
I’m busy at work…. and all hell breaks loose.
This is a very good trade, but I hope we get Bruce back.
bellasa - June 23, 2009
WTF, guys… I check this freaking site compulsively, and the one day I decide to listen to George Calvin instead, the Spurs’ FO does this?
Unbelievable.
I have to admit I’m pretty sad to see Bowen go. If we can sign him back and then find a serviceable backup perfect, I think we’re in for the long haul.
LatinD - June 23, 2009
good. i’m good even though this is the second one of my spurs heroes to be gone in the last two off-seasons. will root/hope for bruce to come back. i always thought RJ was a whiny wuss though. no doubt about his skills and how they will fit with what our spurs need.
i wonder about where roger fits into all this right now. his minutes appear to be on the decline.
all the sudden, i am kind of thinking that sheed is the next piece of this puzzle here after all. i had given up on that move, but if we are going to shell out some cash – like ATS points out – why not?
bones - June 23, 2009
RoMaJu obviously goes to the backup PG, and Hill goes to the D-League.
Duh!
J.R. Wilco - June 23, 2009
Ouch.
Seriously, though, RoMaJu just turned into our… 5th option? Maybe the 4th in the clutch. That’s not bad, not bad at all.
LatinD - June 23, 2009
this honestly seems like a more suitable spot for mace, as much as we all liked what he did for most of last season. good to have depth/options.
bones - June 23, 2009
There won’t be roster spot available for Hill on the Toros after Yawn get customarily sent down in August.
SgtinManusArmy - June 23, 2009
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggggggggggg
bones - June 23, 2009
Yawn isn’t eligible for the Toros anymore, unless he gives up his roster spot/contract.
Tim C. - June 23, 2009
Mason at Pg was a failed experiment.
Aaron "Hirschof" Preine - June 23, 2009
It did lead us to the first round of the playoffs. Many teams can’t say that.
LatinD - June 23, 2009
I don’t think that lead us.
Aaron "Hirschof" Preine - June 23, 2009
damn't
“led”
Aaron "Hirschof" Preine - June 23, 2009
I was of course kidding. He sucks at the point.
LatinD - June 23, 2009
I dont see why this is the case. Start tony, romaju and RJ. Bring Manu of the bech as always, hill backup PG. Am I missing something?
LasEspuelas - June 23, 2009
I think JRW was using sarcasm.
CapHill - June 23, 2009
whoopsie…
LasEspuelas - June 23, 2009
No prob, LE, but I’m starting to learn that the little voice that tells me, “You might want to add some sarcasm included to the bottom of this post.” kinda knows what it’s talking about.
J.R. Wilco - June 23, 2009
It’s just because it’s the offseason that our collective sarcasmometer is off. I’d bet that by the time the regular season rolls around, everyone will be back to their usual snarky selves!
CapHill - June 23, 2009
I sure hope so, CapHill, because I’m tired of listening to the other little voice that tells me, “See, jrw, these people don’t really know you. They think you’re stupid enough to be serious about sending Hill down to the D-League.”
J.R. Wilco - June 23, 2009
You only have one little voice in your head? Last time I counted, I had around 20.
CapHill - June 23, 2009
Well, it’s a versatile voice.
J.R. Wilco - June 23, 2009
LMAO Cap!
LionZion - June 23, 2009
You need more smilies.
LatinD - June 23, 2009
You’re right. You’re right. I know you’re right.
But I just can’t emoticon all over the place.
J.R. Wilco - June 24, 2009
my only point is the roger goes a step down the pecking order, so to speak. he’s less likely to get those gravy mintues down the stretch than he was this year.
bones - June 23, 2009
Haha
DennardC - June 23, 2009
Thank you, RC and Pop.
Bruce is coming back, no way this happens for him to retire in……purple and green.
SgtinManusArmy - June 23, 2009
that would be truly unfortunate on so many levels.
J.R. Wilco - June 23, 2009
Holy crap this is great. I was just writing a piece on trading bruce bowen, if only I had published it you would all be calling me a profit right now. I’m overjoyed about this trade
Manuwar - June 23, 2009
If you’d have only published that piece in a newspaper before today, you might have even made a prophet on it.
SgtinManusArmy - June 23, 2009
+1
Tim C. - June 23, 2009
Rec'd
Got me laughing on that one.
Big50 - June 23, 2009
Absolutely hilarious, SiMa.
silverandblack_davis - June 23, 2009
haha i suck
Manuwar - June 23, 2009
you’re a “profit?”
Aaron "Hirschof" Preine - June 23, 2009
Nothing like trading a poo-poo platter for Richard Jefferson!
Great trade by the Spurs … F#*^!!!!!!!
Nate Timmons - June 23, 2009
The only thing better would be trading a poo-poo platter for Pau Gasol, huh?
SgtinManusArmy - June 23, 2009
I’m thinking we trade some moo goo gai pan for Marc Gasol now.
Tim C. - June 23, 2009
Yes, that was ridiculous as well.
Anytime you can make a trade to get an impact player for some washed up or non-pivitol guys you gotta do it. Great job by the Spurs!
Nate Timmons - June 23, 2009
Yeah, thanks.
Any chance you guys might want to part with Nene? We need a guy with one name and you need a guy with red hair.
SgtinManusArmy - June 23, 2009
I’d also take Birdman, given the salary considerations.
Tim C. - June 23, 2009
You know, some guy on the Nuggets blog had a trade idea that would net us a studly 4.
Wayne Vore (ATS) - June 23, 2009
Haha
DennardC - June 23, 2009
Hellz yeah!!! I just peed in my pants (a little)! Gonna miss Bruce though, he was the (dirty)consumate professional with lots of savvy.
SinCitySpur - June 23, 2009
I think he’ll be back.
DennardC - June 23, 2009
Rick Bucher
On ESPN radio just said this doesn’t help the Spurs become title contenders. They need a “young Robert Horry” in order to be on top.
I thought more of this guy….not that I wouldn’t mind a young Robert Horry, but this team doesn’t have a serious chance?
Big50 - June 23, 2009
Now we need a center, let’s trade Tony for Adonal Foyle? What is Olowokandi up to these days?
SinCitySpur - June 23, 2009
Ha! Olowokandi…worst #1 overall pick ever??
Ed (dfjmed) - June 23, 2009
Abbots take on the trade.
LionZion - June 23, 2009
More or less a fine piece, but this is the argument style I hate:
Potential and salary cap space don’t win games. Ask the Bulls how that worked out for them a few years ago? The class of 2010 free agent list is overblown. Very few players change teams. Remember when we went after Kidd and O’Neal? Do you remember who we got? I do. NOBODY. NOBODY doesn’t pull down many boards and NOBODY doesn’t make the corner 3. Because these teams having been making salary cap space for 2010 is the EXACT reason why the Spurs could make this deal.
Wayne Vore (ATS) - June 23, 2009
Well said.
Aaron "Hirschof" Preine - June 23, 2009
Yes. I am all for finding the “special” guy now. But this is the weird part. Abbot says RJ isn’t efficient anymore. While here at the hornets blog they are ranting about us getting a very efficient scorer lol. So which is it. I haven’t watched RJ play in a while.
Is he on the decline at age 29?
LionZion - June 23, 2009
I think he’ll be a better fit for the Spurs, as he won’t be asked to do as much. He needs to play better D than he did the last couple of seasons, but I think he will be better.
DennardC - June 23, 2009
A lifetime Bucks fan friend of mine at work says Jefferson played pretty good D last year.
J.R. Wilco - June 23, 2009
He probably was decent, but looking at some of his advanced stats shows there is room for improvement. As I mentioned, I think his D will be alright next season.
DennardC - June 23, 2009
well he played 35 mpg last season which means he can carry a load….a load that increases every season Manu and Duncan get older
he is less productive on a team that is going nowhere….now he is on a top contender on a top franchise with top players…even if his production goes down because he is sharing the court with better players, he is an astronomical improvement at the 3
BlaseE - June 23, 2009
Carrying a team while being statistically inefficient translates to being a huge contributor to an elite team that already has 3 guys who can command the double team.
I’m seeing Parker lobbing fast break passes to a leaping RJ; Manu driving the middle and kicking out to a wiiiiide open RJ; Duncan passing out of the double team and the ball working it’s way around to RJ in the corner … all high percentage shots for a proven NBA starter.
J.R. Wilco - June 23, 2009
he isn’t too bad at getting assists either….Varner points out his low TO ratio as well
BlaseE - June 23, 2009
That’s true. I think he can get quite a few buckets off the ball as well. Guys like Finley & Mason pass the ball inside and didn’t really cut to the bucket, I think having a guy like RJ can improve the ball/body movement as he’ll cut to the basket and place more pressure on the defense.
DennardC - June 23, 2009
I was just pointing out that his numbers ought to improve with the support role that he’ll be fitting into. But without a doubt — I agree with you, Dennard. Seeing one more guy cutting to the bucket without making me gasp “please don’t” will be nice.
J.R. Wilco - June 23, 2009
Such a ridiculous take by Abbot. As you said, it assumes completely that we were a primary destination for a big name in ‘10; which is in no way guaranteed. I don’t know if it was someone here or over at 48, but I also am not at all comfortable with sacrificing ’09 on only the hopes that somebody big lands in SA (a small market, with comparatively little to offer) in ’10. We need to win, and we need to win now………. and finally the FO seems to see this.
SgtinManusArmy - June 23, 2009
Exactly.
No one of Richard Jefferson’s calibur wants to come play in small market SA unless you’ve already developed a relationship with Pop, the franchise, or one the big 3. I don’t see any of those on the FA list for 2010. Everyone saw us as old and walking off into the sunset until this afternoon. This deal makes us the hot team for prospective FA role players today. Cap room doesn’t because FA’s know that cap room is meant for players like Bosh, RJ, Manu, etc.
About the future and 2010, Gist, Splitter, Ian, Hill, and 3 draft picks are still currently in our possession. Not to mention a full MLE. (just mentioned)
BlaseE - June 23, 2009
I don't think Jefferson is going to get a better chance at a ring
I should think he would be thrilled to get a chance at it now.
pookeyguru - June 23, 2009
agreed — just needs a few months to get used to the weather
J.R. Wilco - June 23, 2009
I will play devil’s advocate. I think we can all agree RJ is probably NOT worth his salary anymore?
So is this the best overpaid guy we could have gotten and pending further trades, it remains to be seen what the real FO plan here is to shore up our frontline.
(PS: Dun bury me.)
LionZion - June 23, 2009
good questions/concerns
We’ll have to wait and see. But I’d say that optimisism is alive and well on PtR today
J.R. Wilco - June 23, 2009
i wonder how the season ticket phone lines are doing today……..
BlaseE - June 23, 2009
He’s not worth his salary, but that’s not the question. The question is “how much is it worth to add a piece that could produce a championship in combination with the Big 3?”
I would compare it to bringing in an overpriced contractor, or paying overtime or expediting fees, to help you meet a deadline for a big project. It’s not “worth it,” in the sense that similar goods or services could theoretically be obtained cheaper, but it is worth it in that it helps you attain something you otherwise could not have.
tomasito - June 23, 2009
Very true. But the ramifications of RJ being the second highest paid guy on the team, especially when Manu has not been extended? There’s gotta be something psychologically there.
LionZion - June 23, 2009
LZ, If there’s a team that can overlook this and keep it from being an issue, it’s the Spurs. If there’s a player who can do his best while putting this behind him, it’s Manu. He’s an all star who doesn’t mind coming off the bench, for crying out loud.
There’s the chance that it could come back to haunt us, but I gotta believe that RC and Pop talked with Duncan about this already, and possibly even Manu and TP as well.
J.R. Wilco - June 24, 2009
plus its not like our FO signed him to the bad contract….
[impression of Buford to Manu]
“manu, have a seat. you know we love you, but were going to have a new addition to the familiy soon. we love you more but he is new and coming from a spoiled family that made certain promises we have to keep. were better parents and don’t make those same stupid promises, but we love you more….just know that in your heart.”
BlaseE - June 24, 2009
"spoiled family" I love it
“Now, Manu, he’s going to have some bad habits. And we’ll deal with those as soon as we can, but in the meanwhile, we’re asking everyone to just give him a little time to adjust to doing things the right way.”
J.R. Wilco - June 24, 2009
Thats what I believe. But this is the year when Manu said he can’t believe he might actually be traded. There could be a bit of hurt there. You never know.
LionZion - June 24, 2009
He didn’t say that. He said that if there was ever a chance, it was this year, because he hadn’t signed yet. He also said he understood this was a business, and that if it were up to him, he’d stay in San Antonio.
You made it sound like he said “I can’t believe they’d trade me”, Lion.
LatinD - June 24, 2009
Hmm. Maybe I read too many forums and too many Manu interview translations. But the perception I was left with after his interview when he got home(the translation obviously) was that, he thought him being ever traded was an impossibility until this year…which I loosely further translated as “I can’t believe they are thinking of trading me”.
:P
LionZion - June 24, 2009
yeah Manu was just talking more “Spurs Talk” and not speaking in absolutes and not being an idiot…that’s what I took from it
BlaseE - June 24, 2009
I think he just replies honestly when asked a question, but the tone didn’t indicate that he was feeling slighted.
LatinD - June 24, 2009
Tomas, I love this analogy. He’s not worth that much, but the opportunity is worth it.
J.R. Wilco - June 24, 2009
I don't understand waiting a year argument
When Duncan is only going to be a year older and limiting the strain on him is that much more difficult. Plus, ATS, cap space is overrated as you say.
pookeyguru - June 23, 2009
Rec'd to Brewville
Well done Mr. ATS
Big50 - June 23, 2009
You’re on fire, ATS. And correct.
LatinD - June 23, 2009
+1
tomasito - June 23, 2009
Barring any injuries, I now see the Spurs making it out of the first round.
Coop21 - June 23, 2009
you must be a profit.
Wayne Vore (ATS) - June 23, 2009
Bowen with this shout out. I hope he comes back. Ugh
LionZion - June 23, 2009
I assume he’ll be back but I got a little choked up reading that…..Just being honest.
If we don’t want to pay him play, can we create a third man spot with the local announcers….hearing him with Elliot every local game would be amazine.
BlaseE - June 23, 2009
You’re not the only one, Blase. Old Potato Head definitely knows that there’s more to life than just b-ball.
J.R. Wilco - June 23, 2009
I’m not going to stop wearing my Bowen jersey even if he doesn’t come back.
Aaron "Hirschof" Preine - June 23, 2009
You keep wearing that jersey with pride! :) Besides, vintage is in! (I want a #44 Gervin one.) At the very least, if Bruce doesn’t come back, which I’m really hoping he does, that’ll mean they can hang #12 from the rafters sooner than we expected.
Ed (dfjmed) - June 23, 2009
+1
Great guy…you should read this if you haven’t. Nice find LZ.
Big50 - June 23, 2009
From espn
More Bowen news. Not great.
LionZion - June 23, 2009
Bleh. Oberto instead of Bowen…just for a big body, or what?
Big50 - June 23, 2009
::with fingers in my ears::
I’m not listening.I’m not listening.
J.R. Wilco - June 23, 2009
Don’t be fooled by Bruce. All this proves is that he isn’t the dumbass Jerry Stackhouse is.
Wayne Vore (ATS) - June 23, 2009
hear, hear
J.R. Wilco - June 23, 2009
EXACTLY the thought I had when I read these. Trust me folks, Bruce is coming back.
SgtinManusArmy - June 23, 2009
seriously… doesn’t anyone remember when we traded the Mango Tree?
Tim C. - June 23, 2009
You’re on your game sir…Rec’d again!
Big50 - June 23, 2009
Wow
Im pretty excited now….my only disappointment is if this limits our ability in the 2010 bonanza….anyone crunch the numbers on that?
bren - June 23, 2009
in 2010,
we just have to focus on resigning Manu….
BlaseE - June 23, 2009
…and bringing Splitter over. He could be helpful.
Tim C. - June 23, 2009
very true
BlaseE - June 23, 2009
Agreed
Secure that #2 spot and focus on the PF/C rotation.
Aaron "Hirschof" Preine - June 23, 2009
There's still space
As of now there will be about 12-15 million to work with. That’s going to change obviously, but like Mr. ATS stated earlier, all this talk about the 2010 free agency is just that. Talk.
DennardC - June 23, 2009
You guys know I like music. I think this about nails it for me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v7UPfj5gcQ
Wayne Vore (ATS) - June 23, 2009
I feel good again too.
J.R. Wilco - June 23, 2009
we just need a center who rebounds, blocks, defends and can pass the ball on offense…..anyone have one of those for cheap?
BlaseE - June 23, 2009
It’s not likely, but Marcin Gortat would be a good get. What type of deal do you think he’ll get?
DennardC - June 23, 2009
MId Level maybe a little higher
I think OKC will be so hot for him I don’t think he’ll go anywhere else. If Gortat goes to SA, he’ll be in a similar situation to SA.
pookeyguru - June 23, 2009
That’s what was thinking. I hope Ian can give something next season, instead of another injury filled season.
DennardC - June 23, 2009
it’s a good thing that you don’t ask for much
this is what makes the off-season so enjoyable
J.R. Wilco - June 23, 2009
Due to the NBA habit of overpaying mildly productive young centers, the chance of the Spurs getting someone such as Gorat are slim I think. They don’t have much more outside of the big 3 left to trade. The Spurs are either going old or finding a diamond in the rough for their big. Therefore, the only way the FA market thus comes into serious play is if there’s someone in Europe they dig up or someone like Rasheed Wallace takes a pay cut to join. Neither is a given. The best hope is that one of the young guys stowed away steps up. It’s the best balance of finance and production. Otherwise, I think the best we can expect is a Rasho type, just as a filler until next year. I think that’s probably the realistic expectation.
Neuwaldegg - June 23, 2009
Rosen...
…thinks the Spurs are the second best in West now
(Is this link a double post?)
Aaron "Hirschof" Preine - June 23, 2009
just wait ’til we get a big.
Tim C. - June 23, 2009
The strangest part of his article is his poll. How +16,100 people think the Bucks got the better end of this trade is beyond me.
SgtinManusArmy - June 23, 2009
$11.3 million in cap relief next season I guess. Still have to sign someone…
Aaron "Hirschof" Preine - June 23, 2009
Instead of "RJ"
How about hearing Bill Schoening say…
“Tim, Tony, Manu and Dick get ready for the…”
“Dick drains it for three!”
etc, etc…
Aaron "Hirschof" Preine - June 23, 2009
That’s another DickJeff three!
J.R. Wilco - June 23, 2009
I don’t know about you guys… but I’m still bummed that we weren’t able to get Corey Maggette last year… ::snicker::
CMoney - June 23, 2009
I sure wish we had had the cap room to be a player in the Baron Davis sweepstakes last year.
Wayne Vore (ATS) - June 23, 2009
On his podcast, Simmons is still claiming that the Spurs will trade Parker. Chad Ford added that a Parker-Rondo (as the main pieces) trade would be intriguing. Crazy talk!
4Him - June 23, 2009
A sincere and honest question...
Why do you listen to Simmons’s podcast?
CMoney - June 23, 2009
Give him credit…he’s better than fingernails on a chalk-board.
Big50 - June 23, 2009
I usually don’t, but in seeking some coverage of The Big Trade, I noticed that they would be talking about it, so thought I would tune in.
4Him - June 23, 2009
Gotcha. Well thank you for tuning in so I didn’t have to. I appreciate your sacrifice.
CMoney - June 23, 2009
I’m already off. Now it’s your turn to sacrifice…
4Him - June 23, 2009
As usual, he’s an idiot.
DennardC - June 23, 2009
They were just speculating as a possibility. The part I didn’t get though the the lack of logic in saying Rondo must be some kind of character issue, which is why Boston’s quietly trying to dump him. Yet the Spurs would be willing to take him on?…
Neuwaldegg - June 23, 2009
So.....
how long do I have to wait to see him play in a Spurs jersey?
shit…….
can we put him on the summer league team for the hell of it? We can all join ATS in vegas then.
BlaseE - June 23, 2009
David Lee
What you guys think about Mr. Lee in silver & black?
DennardC - June 23, 2009
I don’t know
Aaron "Hirschof" Preine - June 23, 2009
To make up for the size that we traded away, maybe Splitter is on his way over…
4Him - June 23, 2009
The Zone mentioned something about Splitter’s team having financial trouble. Waiting for them to follow up on that.
Aaron "Hirschof" Preine - June 23, 2009
WTF?
They mention the story and don’t deliver.
Aaron "Hirschof" Preine - June 23, 2009
not likely. He’d have to settle for the rookie scale unless he holds out until next summer, when we can offer him more. It’s in his best interest to wait until next summer.
Tim C. - June 23, 2009
if only he’d play for rookie scale for one year and just sign him to an extension to make it right after that
BlaseE - June 23, 2009
I think rookie contracts are multi-year by rule… but I could be wrong.
Tim C. - June 23, 2009
oh i thought it was based on when he was drafted not when he starts playing….i was thinking he would start on the last year of the rookie scale at this point….guess not
BlaseE - June 23, 2009
Just got in to work here in 0z...
and i am so freaking happy.
SO SO SO HAPPY
Bushka - June 23, 2009
More action in the trade front:
Wizards trade with T-Wolves
LasEspuelas - June 23, 2009
And according to Yahoo, Oberto keeps moving.
LasEspuelas - June 23, 2009
Ugh. Looks like Fabs will likely return. I would have been happier to see KT’s name here instead, but at least he’s tall.
SgtinManusArmy - June 23, 2009
If Fab is healthy next season, I think he’ll help some. He at least can provide 6 fouls, right? I just hope he has all of his heart troubles out the way. That’s scary.
DennardC - June 23, 2009
Classic material from one of the commenters on Basketbawful
Does Trev sound like a Mavs or Suns fan?
DennardC - June 23, 2009
Cubes?
Tim C. - June 23, 2009
Hey winners (not losers, for a change)! I just popped my browser open and I see the light of the FSM shining down on our Spurs. It’s a terrific day.
Also, I love how this has created a ton of activity here in PtR. Took me some time to go down to the bottom reading all of the crazy comments going on, it’s awesome.
Can’t wait for the season to start, fellas :)
silverandblack_davis - June 23, 2009
Part of a garbage time AS comes to mind.
Aaron "Hirschof" Preine - June 23, 2009
Ha ha, nice.
tomasito - June 23, 2009
I like it. Rec’d to championship Valhalla.
J.R. Wilco - June 24, 2009
I dun remember when I read this or where, but at some point during last season, didn’t Pop tell somebody that last season was going to be Bruce’s last and Pop made that decision for him which is why he rarely played him much during the regular season. And then we had all the injury mess and Bruce found his way back into rotation and showed us all he is still effective albeit a bit less.
So even with us all optimistic about Bruce coming back, I have to say, this is what I remember from last season. Pop decided its time to change. Man, I am worried about our defense this season again pending further trades.
LionZion - June 23, 2009
Okay. Harvey has an article out about this. So maybe I didn’t imagine it after all.
LionZion - June 24, 2009
Anthor trade in the works?
Well i thinik we might have anthor trade in the works here. HELL no way would matt bonner be our main option at the PF/C. I would acctuly love to see us trade bonner he just camp out in the three pointer. We have a lot of rosters spots to fill. Knowing the spurs though they probaly are just goign to sign a free agent to a 1-2 year deal.
Manu-20 - June 23, 2009
I can’t stop thinking that Mason will be our 6th best player. A lights out, ice in his veins, clutch shooter is our 6th best player. And if we use the our MLE on Pachulia then I’d say Mason becomes our 7th best player. This is awesome.
Manuwar - June 23, 2009
I don’t know that much about Pachulia, so could someone please enlighten me on why he would be such a great addition?
Tim C. - June 23, 2009
+1
Please everyone, line up and sell us both on the merits of Za Za.
SgtinManusArmy - June 23, 2009
Well if Camby is really dirt cheap
Id rather they try and get him for anything short of a 1st rounder
bren - June 23, 2009
dirt cheap in terms of LA wanting to clear him…he is still 10 million dollars
BlaseE - June 24, 2009
Honestly my love for Pachulia comes almost entirely from the Celtics series in ‘08. He really battled with Garnett when everyone else in the eastern conference wouldn’t dare stand toe to toe with him and his
intense passionobsurd antics. If we’re measuring ourselves against the Lakers (and we should be) then this is the type of player we need on our front line. I’d really like Camby but I think he’d be too expensive.Manuwar - June 24, 2009
He would give us toughness we need. He a good score at times. He can reboudn. His best season he averaged about 12 ppg and 7 rpg. Relasticy we could get him. With him we would defitnley have the best chance at a title. He can be a deffesive presence to.
LoL i just found out rober horry goign to be on superstars.
Manu-20 - June 23, 2009
There is still a chacne we can move up in the draft. This year draft is considerd weak. SO moving up wouldnt cost to much as long as it in 22-30 range wich i expect the spurs will try to get to. With this sighing the spurs would try to get only a pf or c who could start for us. It very unlikely we could get rasheed wallace for a samll deal.
Manu-20 - June 23, 2009
I can’t help but think that the FO is thinking, “If this year’s draft is so weak, why move up? We already have competent D-leaguers, several foreign big men to woo, Yawn and an up-and-coming Gist………. ALL of those options are better than a ‘iffy-straight-outta-college’ player in a weak draft that may cost us things we don’t have or can’t afford to lose at this point.”
I sense other things a’ brewin.’
SgtinManusArmy - June 23, 2009
yea, and we could send our 3 second round picks to Biella, ASVEL, or any other euro club we can strike a deal with.
Tim C. - June 23, 2009
I think that on weak drafts you have to select in a different way. because the top prospects look like garbage, so you have to be creative. I think that picking in the second round is a blessing in disguise.
Chilai - June 23, 2009
Very good point Chilai. We aren’t forced to commit to someone who might normally only merit a second round pick.
Manuwar - June 24, 2009
The NBA.com article
says both Bowen and Oberto will be back, so even if theyre simply roster filler, its a great deal on our end…..I only wish it wasnt June so we could get the season started already
bren - June 23, 2009
wow..............
and here i was thinking not much was gonna be happening in the next week or two, other than drafting some foriegn player we’ve never heard of and will never see. holy crap.
if bruce and fabricio come back, then this is genius. if not…its still probably good. though seeing bruce go is sad. and i’ll miss ol’ crazy eyes.
sleep research facility - June 23, 2009
You’re holding our trophy Mr. Bryant.
CMoney - June 23, 2009
made me evil-smile
Manuwar - June 24, 2009
Highlight Reel
Its like watching an ultrasound of our baby before he is birthed as a Spur…..
[Sorry, just wanted to use that similie]
Some others include dunks over Okafor and Okur…
BlaseE - June 24, 2009
I like the finger wag at Mutombo
Gils_Keloids - June 24, 2009
So dunking will no longer be outlawed for next year’s Spurs? LD will be happy.
CapHill - June 24, 2009
I suspect a healthy Ian, RJ, Cubits. and Hairston/Williams/Gist will make LD a very happy blogger.
Tim C. - June 24, 2009
I sure hope so. I’m this close to jumping back onto Yawn’s glass bandwagon.
LatinD - June 24, 2009
Nice
SgtinManusArmy - June 24, 2009
……TWSS?
CMoney - June 24, 2009
i put #9 is manuesque and it put it to a numbered list….
BlaseE - June 24, 2009
Just outta curiosity
What did you all think of Richard Jefferson during the 2003 (?) Finals versus the Nets? Remember how you felt every time he scored? Now think of that in reverse, but your getting a 6 year older version of that memory.
tandur - June 24, 2009
I remember being afraid of him going off and taking over a game — which he never did. Credit Bruce’s defense.
J.R. Wilco - June 24, 2009
you’re telling me we just got a player good enough to have BRUCE BOWEN defend him!?!? you’re shitting me!?!?
BlaseE - June 24, 2009
+1
rec’d to Bruce’s retired jersey
J.R. Wilco - June 24, 2009
Classic, BE.
bellasa - June 24, 2009
i hated the dude then and will spend the next few weeks trying to warm up to him. it is a business after all and the move does make sense.
bones - June 24, 2009
Spurs too smart to give up height..
As I expected, many basketball fans’ first thoughts were about the Spurs giving up height and about Bowen being gone. You guys are truly loyal to him and he deserves it. But I think that the Spurs organization has always been a step ahead when it comes to making decisions and drafting players. That being said I find it hard that there isn’t something already in the works in regards to solving the height issue. We all know that in the West and in the NBA the Lakers are the team to beat and if any team is going to have a shot a beating them it has to be done by matching up with the height and length of Pau, Bynum and Odom.
PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE - June 24, 2009
Yup. So the mystery deepens. From our “inside scoop” thread, if that was really true, who was the foreign “starting” center then? Darn R.C, you got us all in a twist.
LionZion - June 24, 2009
Splitter?
CMoney - June 24, 2009
There are threads up on most forums about Splitter. There might be a chance, but nothing definite. Combo of both economy and rebuilding with his current team. So where does that leave him?
LionZion - June 24, 2009
With all due respect, a team doesn’t need height to be the Lakers. They need physicality. Granted, the Spurs now need some more of that, but Denver and Houston proved you can give the Laker front line problems with just good strong physical play.
I do agree that Spurs have some kind of plan to replace that size lost in the front line.
Big50 - June 24, 2009
we make this trade and my company loses all sorts of productivity…….
the company I work for also has a box and season tickets so its like they are indirectly paying for me to be unproductive…..
BlaseE - June 24, 2009
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